| Guest 9: |
Can i tell a Tibetan story about this? |
| bashoo: |
Please... |
| Guest 9: |
Marpa continually told his students that all phenomena
is illusion then one day his son died. |
| Gordita: |
Ouch! |
| Guest 9: |
He screamed, wept, and grieved for days. His students
were horrified. They said to Marpa, "You said it's all illusion. Why are you carrying
on so much?" He replied "It is illusion, but this is a SUper ILLUSION> |
| bashoo: |
Just knowing it in our minds isn't enough... |
| Gordita: |
It has to sink down to where it can determine our
actions. |
| Guest 9: |
David p. just said that it comes back to question of
emotion. What is the relation of emotion to the illusion? |
| bashoo: |
David P - could you elaborate on that "question of
emotion"? |
| Guest 9: |
The question that p and d raised earlier. Would you
repeat it for group, pandd? |
| p&d: |
One second... There were two questions: What do I work
on first, wakening the machine or emotions? 2nd, is working with others the way to open
the heart? |
| Gordita: |
To me, that is the same work- No real emotions- just
habitual sensations- occur until some development occurs- The four lines help me remember
that my "feelings" are not real or useful. |
| bashoo: |
But our feelings, what we call our emotions, are very
powerful parts of the machine. When we buy into them, we're not awake. So we're back to
the four lines... |
| p&d: |
David, how do you view the question? |
| bashoo: |
I don't think we have the luxury of deciding what to do
first, or at least i don't know enough to strategize my own work in that kind of detail
and i suspect you never can... So part of our work to awaken the machine details with the
"emotions" and seeing them as illusion. |
| Gordita: |
I just thought of that story of the emporer's new
clothes... Too much emphasis on emotion or personal development is like the king going
back to the palace after his shock. FIRMLY resolved to find a better tailor rather than to
learn how to rule. |
| bashoo: |
i'd like some better emotions, too! |
| eric: |
i may be slow here but I didn't understand that story
as describing higher emotion. Did it? |
| bashoo: |
I thought it was a great story. Here's what i got:
"I'd like some better emotions, too", a better tailor rather than not buying
into those emotions. And emphasis on emotions in our work can be driven by the desire for
self-enhancement -- a better suit of emotions... |
| p&d: |
Changing self enhancement is a toughy how? It's deep.
Who am I? |
| ompen: |
There is a way to recognise the sleep of the machine.
We begin by observing the physical, just exactly because its mechanical manifestations are
slow and can be observed as mechanical with time. |
| Gordita: |
Comparatively |
| ompen: |
Right g. The intellect, which is also a body of
mechanical habit, is a wee bit faster and more difficult to "focus" on -- and
the "emotions", also mechanical, are faster yet. In many cases people spend the
life trying to catch up to the emotions... |
| eric: |
Hey, all phenomena is ilusion, except my wife, the car
and my self esteem... |
| bashoo: |
That's it... and maybe Marpa's son... |
| Gordita: |
I keep remembering that what is real doesn't change and
that's that for MY emotions... |
| cy: |
I laughed at the "except my ..." joke, but... |
| Gordita: |
But? |
| cy: |
OK, it's difficult to not be attracted to my son,
to not attach -- not easy. |
| eric: |
It's funny, cy, but in a really practical sense, the
atachment to our kids doesn't really do them good. |
| cy: |
I know |
| eric: |
The good we want for them... |
| Gordita: |
EJ addresses that specifically in Secret Talks about a
kid as an external center of gravity and how that blocks the parent's work AND the kid's.
Like you casn't "USE" your kid it isn't lawful. |
| Guest 9: |
Tell us about event bashoo, please. |
| bashoo: |
I have had one experience recently in my office related
here. I have been trying to give away responsibilities and i had a new manager to give
some of my work to... Then i saw him moderating meetings which used to be my meetings. |
| Gordita: |
Oh boy |
| bashoo: |
And it grabbed me more than i thought it would. It
really was an experience of "dying before you die". I had to remind myself that
i had asked for it. Unfortunately each time i have tried to give away responsibilities
they come back, and more... |
| cy: |
May I share an experience related to what ellen was
saying? |
| bashoo: |
Great. Go ahead... |
| cy: |
My son and i, Justin, where performing in the play
"A Raisin in the Sun". My inability to detach almost got him fired. I was so
"concerned" with him that I wasn't doing MY job. I see and am working on that
problem, weakness, whatever, in our lives, so that I am no longer a risk to either of our
work. |
| Guest 9: |
Yes, there is a machine identification rather then a
true seeing and acknowledging of the ageless being of the "child" whose just
happens to be with us. |
| Gordita: |
"Habit"-- I wonder what would happen if one
"read" [ABD] for all those fragmentary deaths of not-self? |
| Guest 9: |
Interesting idea. That's one reason i like Dru's bardo
calendar kit. You roll dice to find out where you are in the bardos... And then you read
backwards to the Clear Light. Y, it should be available to us thru institute but it is
carried. ADAM has it though. |
| bashoo: |
Neat! |
| bashoo: |
We're coming up on the end of our time together, so if
anyone else has a story they'd like to contribute here... |
| can: |
Yes, yesterday, some of you were here when Marshall Law
busted in on us. That was an four lines time for me. |
| ompen: |
four lines time? |
| cy: |
marsh was the big bardo moment though |
| can: |
I got the chance to notice that "I" was not
the blue head that "I" was here in a room separate really from the character in
the screen and that Marshall Law could not do anything to me or any of us. |
| ompen: |
I didnt think any one gave ol' Marsh the time of day... |
| Gordita: |
Maybe his only contact with the Work in this
lifetime... |
| ompen: |
I thought it was blown totally |
| can: |
So because of this method of work the phenomena as
illusion leaked in for a moment ... thank-you |
| Gordita: |
unfriendly guide |
| bashoo: |
thank you all -- last call for immortal "four
lines" stories |
| Guest 9: |
y, just remember the basic mantra everything that we
deal with is either yum or yuck. |
| Gordita: |
All phenomena is... |
| bashoo: |
That's great... I hadn't heard that formulation... but
i like it... |
