bashoo: |
great, now i get to sit up here... |
can: |
yes |
cy: |
king of the mountain |
bashoo: |
great... |
bashoo: |
in last month's workshop |
bashoo: |
we set an aim |
bashoo: |
to build a small web site |
bashoo: |
with the results of our workshop |
bashoo: |
which i only yesterday |
bashoo: |
finally got posted at the canteen workshop site |
bashoo: |
did anyone have a chance to see that yet? |
eric: |
y |
can: |
yes |
ompen: |
n |
p&d: |
n |
Guest 9: |
n |
mike: |
n |
cy: |
not yet |
bashoo: |
you can see it at |
bashoo: |
www.slimeworld.org/canteen/workshop/ws08wthw.html |
bashoo: |
pithy name, eh? |
Guest 9: |
yes |
eric: |
quite |
cy: |
y |
bashoo: |
but i'd like to follow the same format this time |
bashoo: |
since this is a workshop |
bashoo: |
we're building something here |
bashoo: |
the experience of the workshop itself |
bashoo: |
but also an artifact to leave behind |
bashoo: |
in the form of some web pages |
bashoo: |
which might be of value to someone else... |
bashoo: |
the other element |
bashoo: |
i think is essential here |
bashoo: |
is that our contributions be real and practical for us |
bashoo: |
i would call this a "work in the world" workshop |
bashoo: |
so anyway |
bashoo: |
whatever you say here after these introductions |
bashoo: |
can and will be used against you |
can: |
:) |
ompen: |
haa |
bashoo: |
hi gordita! |
Guest 9: |
yes, especially for those of us not in Ca. |
bashoo: |
so let's begin with one of those great workshop exercises |
bashoo: |
and we'll "do the four lines" |
bashoo: |
together |
bashoo: |
like really meaning it... |
bashoo: |
all phenomena is illusion. |
can: |
All phenomena is illusion |
eric: |
ALL PHENOMENA IS ILLUSION |
Guest 9: |
all phenomena is illusion |
ompen: |
All phenomena is illusion |
mike: |
all phenomena is illusion |
bashoo: |
neither attracted nor repelled, |
can: |
Neither attracted nor repelled, |
ompen: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
Gordita: |
All phenoma is illusion |
p&d: |
all phenonemna is illusion |
cy: |
all phenomena is illusion |
mike: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
eric: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
Guest 9: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
Gordita: |
neither attracted nor repeled |
p&d: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
can: |
Not making any sudden moves |
eric: |
not making any sudden moves |
ompen: |
not making any sudden moves |
cy: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
bashoo: |
not making any sudden moves |
p&d: |
not making any sudden moves |
Guest 9: |
not making any sudden moves |
eric: |
my habits will carry me through |
cy: |
not making any sudden moves |
mike: |
not making any sudden moves |
Gordita: |
not making anysudden moves |
bashoo: |
my habits will carry me through |
p&d: |
my habits will carry me through |
can: |
my habits will carry me through |
ompen: |
my habits will carry me through |
Guest 9: |
my habits will carry me through. |
cy: |
my habits will carry me through. |
mike: |
my habits will carry me through |
Gordita: |
my habits will carry me through |
bashoo: |
so my question |
bashoo: |
to the assembled group here |
bashoo: |
is |
bashoo: |
what would you want someone else to know |
bashoo: |
about the "four lines"? |
ompen: |
that the "habits" are built in the life and not a
birthright |
Guest 9: |
They are a tool for navigating the bardo: ron |
Gordita: |
they are true |
bashoo: |
true is good |
bashoo: |
so for navigating the bardo |
bashoo: |
how do you use that now |
p&d: |
gratitudinously impartial presence and attention is part of
the habits |
Guest 9: |
That our patterns of repulsion and attraction form an
identity pattern. tm |
Gordita: |
that neither attraction nor repulsion matters |
bashoo: |
yes, our attractions and repulsions |
bashoo: |
certainly are part of our ordinary identity |
cy: |
realizing that "reality" is relative live the
truth of the circumstance without attachment to out come |
cy: |
. |
bashoo: |
my habits will carry me through... |
Gordita: |
that sudden moves are not helpful |
bashoo: |
i'm sure we've all been burnt by those |
Guest 9: |
y |
bashoo: |
otherwise, i wouldn't be where i am today |
Gordita: |
and that personal or intellectual development is
bardo0ically useless... |
bashoo: |
like right here? |
eric: |
y |
Guest 9: |
y |
Gordita: |
depends on whose here |
Guest 9: |
or if Who is here. |
Gordita: |
y |
p&d: |
no sudden moves like a floating recliner |
bashoo: |
not even any real decisions |
bashoo: |
about our lives |
Gordita: |
to get anywhere without sudden moves, you have to be REAL
persisitent |
bashoo: |
one focus |
Guest 9: |
it becomes moving by intent of being rather then machne
action. |
Guest 9: |
non linear, non plot line. |
bashoo: |
we think there's a plot line (i do) |
Guest 9: |
y |
bashoo: |
or that someone's plotting it (i hope) |
Guest 9: |
but being 'here' reminds us it's not/ or they're not. |
Gordita: |
All phenomena is illusion- not just the bad stuff- |
bashoo: |
yes, the good stuff is really the trap |
cy: |
patitent with self and all else, not trying to make things
happen is necessary |
Guest 9: |
can i tell a tibetan story about this? |
bashoo: |
please... |
Guest 9: |
Marpa continually told his students |
Guest 9: |
that all phenomena is illusion |
Guest 9: |
then one day his son died. |
Gordita: |
ouch |
Guest 9: |
He screamed, wept, and grieved for days. |
Guest 9: |
His students were horrified. |
Guest 9: |
They said to Marpa, "You said it's all illusion. Why
are |
Guest 9: |
you carrying on so much?" |
Guest 9: |
He replied |
Guest 9: |
"It is illusion, but this is a SUper ILLUSION> |
Guest 9: |
. |
Guest 9: |
end |
bashoo: |
just knowing it in our minds |
bashoo: |
isn't enough |
Gordita: |
It has to sink down |
Guest 9: |
David p. just said that it comes back to question of
emotion. |
Gordita: |
to where it can determine our actions |
Guest 9: |
What is the relation of emotion to the illusion? |
bashoo: |
David P - could you elaborate on that "question of
emotion" |
Gordita: |
? |
Guest 9: |
The question that p and d raised earlier. Would you |
Guest 9: |
repeat it for group, pandd? |
p&d: |
one second |
p&d: |
there were two questions |
p&d: |
what do I work on first, wakening the machine or emotions |
p&d: |
2nd, is working with others the way to open the heart? |
Gordita: |
To me, that is the same work- No real emotions- just
habitual sensations- occur until some development occurs- |
Gordita: |
The four lines help me remember that my "feelings" |
Gordita: |
are not real or useful |
bashoo: |
but our feelings |
bashoo: |
what we call our emotions |
bashoo: |
are very powerful parts of the machine |
bashoo: |
when we buy into them |
bashoo: |
we're not awake |
bashoo: |
so we're back to the four lines |
p&d: |
david, how do you view the question? |
bashoo: |
i don't think we have the luxury |
bashoo: |
of deciding what to do first |
Gordita: |
y |
bashoo: |
or at least |
bashoo: |
i don't know enough |
bashoo: |
to strategize my own work |
bashoo: |
in that kind of detail |
bashoo: |
and i suspect |
bashoo: |
you never can |
Guest 9: |
how is the higher emotional center activated? |
bashoo: |
so part of our work |
bashoo: |
to awaken the machine |
p&d: |
y |
bashoo: |
details with the "emotions" |
bashoo: |
and seeing them as illusion |
eric: |
Nine, pwos chapter one talks about this, no? |
bashoo: |
which is? |
eric: |
head brain/tail brain |
bashoo: |
sure |
Gordita: |
I just thought of that story of the emporer's new clothes |
eric: |
activtion of real emotional centre |
eric: |
go on Gordita |
Gordita: |
Too much emphasis on emotion |
Gordita: |
or personal development |
Gordita: |
is like the king going back to the palace after his shock |
Gordita: |
FIRMLY resolved |
Gordita: |
to find a better tailor |
Gordita: |
rather than |
Gordita: |
to learn how to rule |
Gordita: |
? |
Guest 9: |
But the SUPER ILLUSION evokes higher emotional center |
bashoo: |
i'd like some better emotions, too |
p&d: |
popcorn vs awkening? what difference? super illusion? |
p&d: |
popcorn vs machine awakening? |
eric: |
i may be slow here but I didn't understand |
eric: |
that story |
eric: |
as describing higher emotion |
eric: |
did it/ |
eric: |
? |
bashoo: |
i thought it was a great story |
bashoo: |
here's what i got |
bashoo: |
"i'd like some better emotions, too" |
bashoo: |
a better tailor |
bashoo: |
rather than |
bashoo: |
not buying into those emotions |
bashoo: |
and emphasis on emotions in our work |
bashoo: |
can be driven by the desire |
bashoo: |
for self-enhancement |
bashoo: |
a better suit of emotions |
bashoo: |
|
p&d: |
changing self enhancement is a toughy |
p&d: |
how? |
p&d: |
its deep |
p&d: |
who am I? |
ompen: |
there is a way |
ompen: |
to recognise |
ompen: |
the sleep of the machine |
ompen: |
we begin |
ompen: |
by observing the physical |
ompen: |
just exactly |
ompen: |
because its mechanical |
ompen: |
manefestations |
ompen: |
are slow |
ompen: |
and can be observed |
ompen: |
as mechanical |
ompen: |
with time |
Gordita: |
comparatively |
ompen: |
right g |
ompen: |
the intellect |
ompen: |
which is also |
ompen: |
a body of mechanical |
ompen: |
habit |
ompen: |
is a wee bit faster |
ompen: |
and more difficult |
ompen: |
to "focus" on |
ompen: |
and the "emotions" |
ompen: |
also mechanical |
ompen: |
are faster yet |
ompen: |
in many cases |
ompen: |
ppl spend |
ompen: |
the life |
ompen: |
trying to catch up to |
ompen: |
the meotions |
ompen: |
emotions |
eric: |
hey, all phenomena is ilusion, except my wife, the car and
my self esteem... |
ompen: |
heheh |
cy: |
hehe |
Gordita: |
chortle |
bashoo: |
that's it... |
bashoo: |
and maybe marpa's son... |
eric: |
y |
Guest 9: |
y |
eric: |
haha |
Gordita: |
I keep remembering |
Gordita: |
that what is real doesn't change |
Gordita: |
and that's that for MY emotions... |
bashoo: |
they change? |
ompen: |
and what's real... can be known |
cy: |
I laughed at the "except my ..." joke but |
ompen: |
exactly by its unchangeble quality |
Gordita: |
but? |
cy: |
ok |
cy: |
it's difficult |
Gordita: |
courage, sister |
eric: |
of course |
cy: |
to not be |
eric: |
it's difficult. |
cy: |
attracted |
cy: |
"." |
cy: |
to |
cy: |
my son |
cy: |
to |
cy: |
not |
cy: |
attach |
cy: |
not easy. |
cy: |
end |
eric: |
it's funny cy |
eric: |
but in a really practical |
eric: |
sense, |
eric: |
the atachment |
eric: |
to our kids |
eric: |
doesn't really do them good |
cy: |
i know |
eric: |
the good we want for them... |
Gordita: |
EJ addrsses that specifically in Secret talks |
cy: |
do not have "Talks |
eric: |
which one? |
Guest 9: |
y, go on |
Gordita: |
about a kid as an external center of gravity |
eric: |
right |
eric: |
right |
bashoo: |
i remember the event |
Gordita: |
and how that blocks the parent's work |
bashoo: |
and ej was speaking to a woman |
Gordita: |
AND the kid"s |
Gordita: |
y |
cy: |
yes! |
cy: |
this happened |
cy: |
to me when |
Gordita: |
like you casn't "USE" your kid |
Gordita: |
it isn't lawful |
Guest 9: |
tell us about event bashoo, please. |
Gordita: |
when? |
bashoo: |
i have had one experience recently |
bashoo: |
in my office |
bashoo: |
related here |
bashoo: |
i have been trying to give away responsibilities |
bashoo: |
and i had a new manager |
bashoo: |
to give some of my work to |
bashoo: |
and then i saw him moderating meetings |
bashoo: |
which used to be my meetings |
Gordita: |
oh boy |
bashoo: |
and it grabbed me more than i thought it would |
bashoo: |
it really was an experience of |
bashoo: |
"dying before you die" |
bashoo: |
i had to remind myself |
bashoo: |
that i had asked for it |
bashoo: |
unfortunately |
bashoo: |
each time i have tried to give away responsibilities |
bashoo: |
they come back, and more... |
Guest 9: |
y |
cy: |
may I share an experience related to what ellen was saying? |
bashoo: |
great. go ahead |
cy: |
my son and i, justin, |
cy: |
where |
cy: |
performing in the play |
cy: |
"A Raisin in the Sun" |
cy: |
my inability to detach |
cy: |
almost got him fired |
cy: |
I was so "concerned" with him |
cy: |
that I wasn't doing MY job |
cy: |
I see and am working on |
cy: |
that |
cy: |
problem, weakness, whatever? |
cy: |
in our lives |
cy: |
so that I am |
cy: |
no longer a risk to |
cy: |
either of our work |
cy: |
end |
Guest 9: |
yes, there is a machine identification rather then |
Guest 9: |
a true seeing and acknowledging of the ageless being |
Guest 9: |
of the "child" whose just happens to be with us. |
Gordita: |
"Habit"-- I wonder what would happen if one
"read" [ABD] for all those fragmentary deaths of not-self? |
Guest 9: |
interesting idea |
Guest 9: |
Thats one reason i like |
Guest 9: |
Dru's bardo calendar kit. |
Guest 9: |
You roll dice to find out where you are in the bardos |
bashoo: |
haven't seen it... |
Guest 9: |
and then you read backwards to the Clear Light. |
Guest 9: |
Y, it should |
Guest 9: |
be available to us thru |
Guest 9: |
institute but it is carried. ADAM has it though. |
bashoo: |
neat! |
p&d: |
9 ? super illusion and emotion clarification ...was there
more to your view? |
Guest 9: |
isn't carried. sorry |
Guest 9: |
n |
Gordita: |
ADAM? |
bashoo: |
we're coming up on the end of our time together |
Guest 9: |
Ancient Dance and Music org. by Dru. |
bashoo: |
so if anyone else has a story |
bashoo: |
they'd like to contribute here |
can: |
yes, |
can: |
yesterday, some of you were here |
can: |
when Marshall Law |
can: |
busted in on us |
Gordita: |
y |
can: |
who was here? |
eric: |
y |
ompen: |
i was |
Guest 9: |
y |
p&d: |
here |
cy: |
y |
can: |
that was an four lines time for me |
eric: |
don't forget sexy gumby |
Gordita: |
y |
cy: |
oh y |
can: |
yes but he wasn't |
Gordita: |
but much lower key |
can: |
as violent |
Guest 9: |
ysexy was well behaved |
ompen: |
four lines time? |
cy: |
marsh was the big bardo moment though |
can: |
I got the chance to notice |
can: |
that "I" was not the blue head |
can: |
that "I" was here |
can: |
in a room |
can: |
separate really from the character in the screen |
can: |
and that Marshall Law could not do anything |
can: |
to me or any of us |
ompen: |
i didnt think any one gave ol Marsh the time of day |
Gordita: |
may be his only contact with the work in this lifetime... |
ompen: |
i thought it was blown totally |
can: |
so because of this |
can: |
method of work |
can: |
the phenomena as illusion leaked in for a moment |
can: |
... |
can: |
thank-you |
Gordita: |
unfriendly guide |
bashoo: |
thank you... |
eric: |
good can |
Guest 9: |
thank you and a bow to bashoo |
can: |
thank-you, bashoo for this wonderful workshop |
Gordita: |
thnks bashoo |
eric: |
gracias david |
cy: |
thank you bashoo |
p&d: |
y t hanks |
mike: |
thanks bashoo |
bashoo: |
thank you all -- last call for immortal "four
lines" stories |
Guest 9: |
y, |
Guest 9: |
just remember the basic mantra |
Guest 9: |
everything that we deal with is either |
Guest 9: |
yum or yuck. |
Gordita: |
All phenomena is... |
bashoo: |
that's great... i hadn't heard that formulation... but i
like it... |
eric: |
neither yum nor yuk |
Guest 9: |
y |
p&d: |
fast |
bashoo: |
so can, are we ready for our next event, or what? |
Gordita: |
y |
can: |
yes, we are |
can: |
pe is here |